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Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction
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Posted - 2017.04.26 12:39:29 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Anyway, I never posted a statement saying I believe new players leave this game due to being Suicide Ganked, I only responded to the topic after you posted CCP Rise's propaganda BS trying to validate Suicide Ganking. However I do know quite a few older players who have left this game due to being Suicide Ganked.
DMC
Isn't that typical. The efforts to study the issue by the company that makes the game (ie the people who have a REAL FINANCIAL STAKE in figuring out why people stop playing the game they make), told to us by an employee of the company whose salary depends on people paying for the game, is somehow "propaganda"...
..But "i know some dudes that quit because of suicide ganking" (aka "Anecdotal Evidence" aka "no evidence at all") is somehow more than enough proof that this poster needs.
It's literally a display of what's actually wrong with Humanity. People like this will ignore facts and evidence and instead see things the way they want to.
This is a fact: CCP Rise wrote:Quote:I still think the main thing that keeps pushing new bros away is the fact of the many many levels of griefing that you folks do allow.. but of course you wont nerf that cause that also would hurt someone else's game. perfect thinking here. We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players - we have failed. The strongest indicators for a new player staying with EVE are associated with social activity: joining corps, using market and contract systems, pvping, etc. Isolating players away from the actual sandbox seems very contrary to what we would like to accomplish.
This is a direct refutation of the foolish idea that 'griefing' meaning suicide ganking and other things makes people leave. it's black and white.
And yet their dislike of a thing is so strong that an Old guy in robes with a long beard and a penchant for magically drowning ancient Egyptians could come off a mountain with stone tablets upon the which the words "Thou SHALL gank people, for that's how Thou keep people play EVE Online-ith" are seared into it and they still wouldn't believe it.
Well, people like this are going to have to dislike it. If CCP thought something was costing them money they'd have killed it a decade ago. Their internal metrics prove to them it's not, so it's all good. If one doesn't like it, one can go play any of the hundreds of carebear games that don't allow it. |
Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction
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Posted - 2017.04.26 13:32:12 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: Turn out it was not and you are all just lying to change the game in your favour and not because of the new players or some poor vets who could not handle a ship loss.
That's the heart of it all isn't it. Some people can't be objective, which means they can't see how something they don't like is beneficial and even necessary.
You know I'm not a fan of several things people do in game, like suicide ganking and cloaky camping just to name two. I get no joy from suicide ganking (that I've done exactly once because it was a corp activity one weekend) and I've never left a ship cloaked in someone elses system while I slept (not that it's not a legitimate tactic, i just can't be arsed lol).
But I get how those things are vital for the game. The cloaky camper is damping some of the raw isk and materials coming out of null (which is good for prices), as well as giving some of us something to fight/prepare against (this still works). I take PRIDE in my ability to keep on ratting with a cloaker in system, so what I had to reship and make lower ticks, I'm still making isk while that camper is powerless to stop me unless he wants to bring a blinged out ship with enough faction scrams to hold me down.
Likewise, the suicide gankers present that "unknown danger" in high sec that keeps smart people on their toes while punishing stupid people for being oblivious even though the game gives you copious tools to protect yourself. And getting suicide ganked can make someone angry, and anger is a great motivator in a game like this. ANY strong emotion ties a player more closely to the game.
I've come to believe that the best sign of intelligence someone can display is the ability to see things beyond their own narrow set of preferences. |
Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction
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Posted - 2017.04.26 17:34:58 -
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Krin Dessat wrote:I once was ganked and lost a T1 Industrial and several hundred million ISK.
At first I was upset, but shook it off because I came to realize it was my own fault.
It taught me a lesson, it made me look deeper into the game mechanics and what I could do to protect myself. It gave me something to do, something to strive for. So in reality, I am thankful to the gankers for motivating me to do better
The ISK I lost has since been replaced (and then some)
I havent been ganked since. Doesn't mean it cant, or wont happen. But the chances of it happening are much lower now, since I don't fly around in a poorly tanked T1, with way too much cargo and without any intel
Asking for game changes isn't the way to go. Asking advice on protecting yourself however, is.
You sir, must be lying. You cannot exist. An EVE player that takes responsibility for his choices, realizes his mistake like a grown ass man and takes it upon himself to improve and protect himself rather than deciding to run crying to the forums for mommy CCP to change the game to punish the nasty bad people?
Preposterous.
Next thing you'll tell me is that tooth fairies are real!
 /sarcasm
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2017.04.27 12:21:22 -
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Quote:Teros Hakomairos
Doomheim
Has to be one of the best things I've seen this week lol. Minus one troll toon. |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2017.04.27 15:25:56 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Quote:Teros Hakomairos
Doomheim Has to be one of the best things I've seen this week lol. Minus one troll toon. Unfortunately you're still here. All hail the Troll Queen Jenn aSide. Dracvlad's forum signature is right, definitely time to block you as well. DMC
Of course you should, as this would be a whole lot easier on your fragile ego than going back and understanding why you end up being wrong so much (and confronted for being wrong so much by so many people not named Jenn).
Only a liar calls the truth "trolling". |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2017.04.28 15:46:13 -
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I don't care about gankers wallets, the only way gankers affect me (on the odd occasion I have no choice but to deal with high sec, it really is my least favorite part of EVE) is that they are just another obstacle to be overcome, to avoid and to be defeated (publicly if at all possible).
The people who spend time worrying about how hard or how easy that game is for people they obviously dislike are really saying "I can' beat these people on my own, I need leverage". This is not to say that sometimes people like that might accidentally have a point, just saying that the last person you want to solicit an opinion from is someone who doesn't like the thing in the 1st place.
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